I'm not even going to link this because then you would know where I live. But once upon a time in the mid 1960's a family was having a birthday party for their grandma when she suffered a heart attack. So they rushed her to the local county hospital. And then once the family and the grandma in heart failure showed up at the hospital of course a fight broke out. Except this fight was about whether the Grandma was "officially" Mexican or "Indian." And how they should bill that or if she had to go to the "Indian" clinic first. Needless to say Grandma died out in the car before they even answered those questions let alone a doctor see her. And that was one of the cases and examples that changed laws to make sure that even if there is no insurance if you show up at a medical facility about to die they have to try and at least go through the motions of trying to save you.

 

most people need to see a movie called sicko
its by that ass michael moore but it does tell the truth
we are the worst medical system in the civilized world
but then again the right side of the isle has again voted to give tax breaks to the rich and let the poor pay for it

*not_secure_link*www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/11/tax-breaks_n_5577957.html

House Votes For Tax Breaks To Add $287 Billion More To Deficit

WASHINGTON -- The GOP-led House of Representatives embraced a former stimulus measure Friday, voting to make it and another related tax cut permanent, adding $287 billion to the deficit over the next 10 years.

The largest part of the cut, worth more than $263 billion, is making permanent so-called bonus depreciation, which allows businesses to write off the cost of capital investments and improvements much more quickly.

It was enacted twice during the administration of President George W. Bush, and the most recent version expired last year. The idea behind it is that if lawmakers give businesses a break during tough economic times, they will speed up major equipment purchases and stimulate economic activity.

Those who support making such a stimulus measure permanent argue that it would give businesses the certainty to be able to plan their investments.

But opponents -- primarily Democrats -- mocked the idea, pointing to Congressional Research Service reports that found the break was a weak stimulus to begin with, and that the stimulative effect is likely to fall even further if the break becomes permanent.

"Even as a stimulus, the analysis shows that for every dollar that is invested we get 20 cents of growth," said Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas), a member of the Ways and Means Committee. "A fellow could go bankrupt with that kind of economics, and that's exactly what they would have the country doing and not meeting its other needs while funding something that doesn't work."

Doggett and others noted that while Republicans have been adamant about finding ways to pay for other things, from unemployment insurance to the money the federal government needs for its highway funds, they appeared to have no problem with simply tacking the enormous cost of the tax cuts onto the deficit.

"Yesterday, the Ways and Means Committee was working on a markup of legislation for another short-term extension of the highway trust fund -- you know, the transportation infrastructure investment we desperately need in this country," said Rep. Ron Kind (D-Wis.). "We were scratching and clawing to try to find an additional $10 billion over the next 10 months to try to keep some of these projects moving forward, and yet here today, we have another permanent change to the tax code at a cost of $287 billion over the next 10 years and not a nickel of it paid for."

Kind also noted that his committee has passed 14 permanent tax cut bills "so far at a cost of close to $900 billion." With Friday's full house vote, about two-thirds of the committee's cuts have passed.

Democrats also argued that the GOP was being hypocritical for another reason: In the tax reform plan that Republicans floated earlier this year, they ended the practice of bonus depreciation and some related tax cuts.

"You, six months ago, helped produce a package that eliminated this provision, and now you come here and you say you want it permanent," Rep. Sander Levin (D-Mich.), the top Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, told his Republican colleagues on the committee. "This is acrobatics. This is congressional acrobatics. You are just spinning in an opposite direction, and you're making this place a circus."

Rep. Pat Tiberi (R-Ohio), the sponsor of the cut, dismissed the objections, saying that since bonus depreciation has often been passed on a temporary basis since 2002, also without being paid for, it might as well be made permanent.

"We have had bonus depreciation, this tax policy, temporary, for over 10 years -- unpaid for -- supported by many on the other side of the aisle. Unpaid for," Tiberi said. "Yet moving that policy forward for 10 more years, the same way it's been paid for over 10 years, costs money."

"'Bad policy,'" Tiberi added derisively. "Even though we are giving for the first time certainty, predictability to people who actually create jobs in America, who must have a business plan and must make those big purchases. Amazing."

The White House has threatened to veto the bill, along with the other permanent cuts. The Senate is also weighing the cuts, but is planning only short-term extensions.

 

Gonna spam the whole board with the same story, ridge?

 

how would that be any different than the same 2 idiots planting the same bullshit over 100 times a day?
you know what i mean that all day right wing is right love fest you think does anything but prove that any asshole that is so blind to believe that any elected official gives a fuck should be shot for watching fox

 

Well, this certainly proves your oft-repeated claim that you're not a liberal. And I'm Mae West.


And there's a difference between stating the same arguments and opinions in multiple threads, and posting the same news article in multiple threads. One is called spamming.

 

Uninsured rate has definitely fallen

There have been many studies, all of which have shown that the uninsured rate has fallen significantly. This of course was a major aim of Obamacare. The uninsured rate would have fallen even further if the dumb Repug states had expanded Medicaid eligibility.

*not_secure_link*politicalwire.com/archives/2014/07/12/obamacare_is_working_to_reduce_uninsured.html

 

In all of this debate on the AFA, there is one thing that the anti-lobby have consistently willfully ignored and that is the simple truth that so far as I am aware, every other developed Country in the World has some form of universal healthcare. And it works.

And they have repeated the lie that the United States has the best health-care in the World. it does not. It is not even close.

 

[h=1]Hospitals continue to shut down in rural America[/h]

*not_secure_link*america.aljazeera....spitals-continuetoshutdowninruralamerica.html

 

[h=1]Those Obamacare Attack Ads Backfired, Actually Helped Boost Enrollment[/h]By Wendell Potter

*not_secure_link*www.huffingtonpost.com/wendell-potter/those-obamacare-attack-ad_b_5584545.html

 

If they had taken all the money spent on Obamacare and bought insurance for everyone there would be money left over. Then maybe we'd have something that works. Right now we still have millions without insurance despite of all the talk and money spent.

 

+100

 

Oh, so now you're advocating Aus style health care? Good on you, Tommy! But just remember that all that money to pay for the uninsured requires more TAXES!

The uninsured population will go down further after the 2nd enrolment period beginning in mid-Nov. it would have already been much more reduced had Repug states expanded Medicaid. Maybe Dems can unseat a few Repug governors on this issue in Nov. Tom Corbett of Penn already looks like a dead man walking.

 

You must be joking.
The US health care providers have consistently been the best in the world, they train the majority of the doctors in the world and they did it without socialized medicine. Our problem in health care has been the drive to make it more socialized, which has driven up bureaucracy and related costs, many doctors in the US are quitting practice.

New Zealand and Australia have a critical shortage of doctors, while general practitioners are not as critical as specialists, there is an increasing recruiting activity for immigrant doctors there. Where are they recruiting? The US, wonder why that is?

 

Why don't you go back to verbally abusing female cancer patients tenguy instead of telling such outrageous and stupid lies like you are doing here?

[h=1]The U.S. healthcare system: worst in the developed world[/h]

*not_secure_link*www.latimes.com/bu...the-us-healthcare-system-20140617-column.html

 

You are so phony tenguy. You completely overlook what is killing Americans right now.

[h=1]NC GOP mayor marches to DC to urge Medicaid expansion, prevention of 'medical deserts'[/h]*not_secure_link*www.southernstudies.org/2014/07/nc-gop-mayor-marches-to-dc-to-urge-medicaid-expans.html

 

Actually, no I'm not. I was stating that Obamacare is a waste of money. It would have been cheaper to simply pay for insurance for everyone but I don't believe that would be a better idea or even one that could get through Congress. Why? Because people of means would lose coverage. In order for it to work at all, government boards would have to be set up to ration health treatment.

Wait, that's starting to happen now! This whole concept really sucks.

 

First, prior to the ACA the US had 45,000 Americans a year dying from lack of health care. Second, the single biggest factor in the out of control US health care costs was treating uninsured people who showed up at emergency rooms with critical conditions that actually started out as easily treatable and less expensive illnesses.

So if you think the ACA is a waste of money what is your solution/alternative? You can answer that very simple question can't you?

 

Sorry, you are wrong. NZ has always had recruited overseas. We train plenty of Doctors; but they like many other young people, go overseas to upgrade their skills, travel or whatever. many then return. There is certainly no shortage of GP's or Specialists overall. Some areas may suffer shortages but that is due to locale. Not many want to go to say the West Coast of the South Island, but that is because it relatively is isolated with small communites.

In the cities and more popular locales there is no shortage of medical professionals. And the Public Health System pays for those from more distant places to attend. People are routinely flown by helicopter, air ambulance etc from one end of the Country to the other - depending on the level of need. They are also sent overseas when necessary for particular treatments not available here.

Most immigrant Doctors and others I have met come from the UK. Not to say there aren't any from the US, but I've not come accross any. They would come here for lifestyle reasons I imagine; it wouldn't be for the money. Whilst well compensated compared to NZ standards there are not the mega incomes available elsewhere. Course they don't need malpractice insurance either; it is virtually impossible to sue a Doctor here.